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Thursday, April 27, 2006

Lok Paritran

I got a mail yesterday on my B-school Delhi group asking me to vote for the Lok Paritran party.

"Following are the candidates contesting in various constituencies of the city. If you and your family belong to the following constituencies do vote for these ambitious guys and encourage your family members as well.

Confirmed candidates contesting for Lok Paritran:
Santhanagopal in Mylapore
Elanthirumaran in Chepauk -========> WAS a COGNIZANT EMPLOYEE and PM FOR FIVE YEARS
Ishrayel Mahesh in Thousan Lights
Prashanth Sharma in Egmore
Arvind Tiruvaiyar in TNagar
Rajamani in Anna Nagar
Hariharan in Saidapet
Rabindra Ganesh in Park Town.

Do Vote for them. And yeah...pass on this message.

This might be news for few of us. 5 guys who are IIT passed outs have formed a new Political party and its called Lok Paritrana..."

Now, I'm all for people from IITs and other educational joining politics, however, I would probably not be able to vote in Saidapet or Mylapore. I would also assume that the other people marked on our Delhi e-group will feel similarly constrained. However, I can't let such a thing pass, so I will blog.

So, the mail goes on to state:
"We've been dreaming on so many things for so many years and nothing has come true. Indian Politics in the hands of EDUCATED YOUTH!!! And these guys are cream students of our country (IIT). Let's believe that these guys will make a change. WE can easily win this election if we Raise our hands for them."

I agree with the first sentence. I have been dreaming about a various things, which hasn't come true. A million dollars in my bank account, a trip to the Moon, watching India beat Brazil in a World Cup football final, Unlimited supply of bratwurst and weissenbier... None of this is likely to come true soon. However, I really haven't been dreaming of IIT students taking over politics.

Really, for me a politician needs to have savoir faire, a certain amount of charisma, amazing political savvy and good intelligence. An average IIT student (in my experience) doesn't have any of the first three and over-delivers on intelligence. I would rather see them do fundamental research, create innovative solutions, build bridges. Politics? Raise my hands for them? No, my hand is still in my pocket.

Before you accuse me of having a closed mind, let me open it. Okay, let's give these guys a chance. An average IIT-ian might not have political savvy, but these guys are clearly not an average. They have given up plush jobs and positions to enter politics. They might be different.

So, let's go to their political strategy, or mission. I will look for three criteria: 1) Have they laid any objective measures of success 2) Have they said something bold, or have they said stuff, whose reverse is absurd? aka Will Congress say it?*, 3) Have they talked about how to do, rather than what to do?

That is the true test of strategy. Otherwise, it's all platitude. For purposes of illustration, I will take one part of the mail as an example. If you want, please go through their entire ideology and strategy.

Short Term Plans:
1 To expand the membership base of "Paritrana" as a political party.
2 To take people out of inaction due to complete loss of hope.
3 Outline a concrete, detailed and pragmatic plan to make India a developed nation.
4 Making region specific plans depending on the local parameters.
5 Spreading the message of "Paritrana" at every level of society.
6 Preparing strategies for the elections.
7 Exploring the possibilities of establishing institutions for health, cultural, legal and social awareness as well as action.
8 To conduct "camps" and seminars for building a better understanding and cohesion in the people with the same goal.

Just as I had imagined. All platitude.
1) There are no measures of performance. Contrast this with the Congress Manifesto I found on my first Google link. It says for example, "The Congress will raise public spending on health to at least 2-3% of GDP, with the focus on primary health care over the next five years and to around 5% of GDP over the next decade." and not "exploring possibilities of establishing blah, blah, blah....."
2) Everything they have written can be said by Congress, BJP, BSP, CITU, RSS, Boy Scouts and any other political or apolitical group. Will any group not want to build better understanding and cohesion? Will any group not outline a concrete, detailed and pragmatic plan? In case you get to me saying, this is only short-term plans, and surely, long-term plans will be better, then look at the following.

Long Term Plans:
1 To achieve the full potential of the country both at the individual and the collective level.
2 To exterminate corruption by whatever means necessary.
3 To overhaul the current education system that has lost its relevance in the changed social and economic conditions.
4 To reorient political organization making it more structured and dynamic.
5 To integrate technology in industry at both urban and rural levels.
6 To modernize India's force structure and defense doctrine.
7 To adopt a practical foreign policy for India.
8 To establish India as a formidable economic and intellectual power in the world.

Bullcrap.
3) Let me not go into 'how to do'. Too tough a test too soon. Let's look at their manifesto for that. There manifesto's here. Alas, it promises more of the same and while it talks about implementation, it doesn't say anything about how they will do anything or by what timeframe. Instead, we hear:

1) We will attempt to eliminate corruption, bribery and other illegal and unethical practices that take place in the entire system, from the highest levels of governance to the lowest.

2) We will establish means by which merit, ability and skill are rewarded at every level.
3) Strict measures will be taken to punish those guilty of these practices, and ensure the sustained smooth and efficient functioning of the system.
4) Apart from the eradication of corruption, which has a direct bearing on bureaucratic efficiency, the Party will push for introduction of technology and proper training of employees in various government departments.

For me, 'we will attempt' and is not a plan. It's a hope. Just for contrast, look at that line in the Congress Manifesto above.

Cynics will argue that there's no point to the Congress manifesto, anyway. Even they don't do half the things that they promise. I agree with their observation about achievements. However, there's a point. At least, we have a document to hold them responsible for in the next elections. At least, we can differentiate them from another party, let us say, BJP. How the hell do you ever hold a Paritran member accountable? If we vote for them and these castles in the air are not built (eliminate corruption for one), then would they be responsible?

*****

One final comment: This is one part of their mail:
Take these stats, there will be at lest 3 and up to 7 People with every home; think how many college going students live in India, how many IT professionals, BPO professionals, other professionals live and calculate the number of people who they live with. If they join together and raise their hands, can't WE win?

Isn't that restrictive at best and 'casually put' at worst? The number of IT and BPO professionals in the country is some 5 lakh (give or take a few thousands). Their families comprise some 0.25% of the population. That's how niche** their ambitions are as of now. You might say that in the divisive politics of today, it's fine to target a small group. Unfortunate that a party thinking of changing India will start like this, though.

* This is the GM test people use for assessing corporate strategy: The question, "Can GM also say this?" is asked for strategies. So, we will grow profits is not strategy. For that matter, we will grow profits by focusing on comsumer satisfaction is also not strategy.

**Though if you are looking at all graduates of the country, their familes comprise 12% of the population (Estimate assuming 2 graduate kids/ household of 5). Fat chance that this is an unified demographic.

37 Comments:

Blogger shrik said...

I saw the first few lines of the post, and wanted to comment immediately directing you to the Ideology and Strategy pages.

Platitudes? Plain old-fashioned fart.

In an interview to The Hindu, they claimed not to have seen Rang De Basanti, but the bluster is exactly the same.

Unfortunate, really.

Friday, April 28, 2006 3:45:00 AM

 
Blogger Sinfully Pinstripe said...

Bingo. Hadn't gone in depth about Paritrana's manifesto. On a cursory glance, it looked rather flaky. Thanks for doing a detailed analysis.
IMHO, it's hype. Will need to take a deep dive before forming an opinion, though.
Also, all that has been covered by the media (or at least all that I can remember) has been the educational and professional pedigree of the party members, rather than what specific steps the party wants to take.

Friday, April 28, 2006 6:44:00 AM

 
Blogger Falstaff said...

I think you're being unfair to these guys. Or rather, you're being fair to them for the wrong reasons.

First, it's hard to imagine a successful communication strategy that would involve laying out specific plans and proposals - any realistic plan is going to be too detailed and have too many contingencies to be summarised in a few lines in a manifesto. Second, I think the "could other people say this" test is overly cynical and has no real discriminatory power - by that logic, no one could ever state a good idea. The real question is can other people do this - and if not, then why can we.

The criticisms you make that I do agree with have nothing to do with their strategy or manifesto or ideology - they have to do with the practical mathematics that you lay out right at the end of your post. The reason we don't have more intelligent or enlightened politicians isn't because no one who's ever been to an IIT has cared before, it's because there isn't a real demand for them. Democracy is inherently about populism - the issues that occupy centre-stage are the ones that people care about and will vote based on - these may not be (often are not) the ones that an objective observer would pick as being more critical - but they're what people care about. The point of democracy is that you get the leaders you want, not the leaders you need (or someone else thinks you need). If there's a single reason to criticise this party it's that they think that graduates and BPO employees are the real India - that's simply not true. And because democracy is about majority rule, you need the numbers to have even the slightest chance of making a difference. I'm willing to believe that these folks have good intentions. I'm even willing to believe that if they somehow miraculously gained political power they would make a genuine difference. But unless they magically develop a fundamentally less naive view of political reality they're just wasting their and everyone else's time.

Does this mean that people from elite institutions can't make a difference to India's development? certainly not. It means only that competitive advantage suggests that blindly playing politics is not the right way to do it. There are plenty of non-profits and citizens's groups out there working to attack corruption, for instance, plenty of NGOs that have mobilised community action by taking issues that the backward communities really care about, and educating and motivating them to put pressure on the government to deliver their demands. If you have an issue that enough people care about, and a plan to get it done, you don't need to win an election to make it happen, you just need to organise a lobby and get the government to do it for you.

Friday, April 28, 2006 7:01:00 AM

 
Blogger dhoomketu said...

Shrik, it is unfortunate. I agree with you.

Sinfully pinstripe, yes, it is hype, as far as I can see. What I hoping however, is that they will learn soon. Their pedigree seems good. I think they might learn.

Falstaff, I agree with your agreement with my second point!! :-)
However, I am not completely sure whether joining NGOs and citizen's groups is the only solution. In any case, let's restrict the problem now to playing a political role. What will you do?

I will at least not do what LP is doing. First of all, it is possible, and expected, to specify measures of success and/ or milestones in your promises. I have pointed out one case. There are others.
Secondly, the crux is not whether others can promise the same? The crux is whether the reverse of the promise is absurd. In this case, it is. Thirdly, while it would difficult to be detailed in a pamphlet, we are not talking of a pmanifesto here. I would again expect that a serious party will be detailed.

Friday, April 28, 2006 8:49:00 AM

 
Blogger anantha said...

DK2: I agree with you not supporting them. But definitely not the reasons. In fact I don't know what was the reason behind this email that they sent. I was/am going to do a post on it, but I see you have already done it.

No sane person is going to expect them to win. Not with the relative obscurity that shrouds their candidates against the usual suspects in Karunanidhi and his son Stain (who are incidently LP's opposing candidates in two of those constituencies in Chennai).

Realistically this is just testing the waters. They have a tough 5 years coming up. If they can prove they mean business, by working outside the corridors of power, then we can expect them to push for wins next time around. But honestly, would you expect them to contest silently without appealing to the educated masses in this manner?

Friday, April 28, 2006 1:42:00 PM

 
Blogger anantha said...

Shrik: The bluster is the same, but don't blame these guys for it. Rather blame RDB for hyping up what should be common sense (not the ending, of course). Its a shame that anyone who talks about civic duty these days gets pushed into the RDB bandwagon! RDB does not / did not merit such comparisons because civic sense existed way before RDB brought such ideas into the limelight.
And if you meant to be sarcastic with the use of the word "claim" I can safely show you at least half a dozen people who haven't seen the movie yet.

Friday, April 28, 2006 1:48:00 PM

 
Blogger dhoomketu said...

Anti, What are your reasons for not supporting them? I would have thought of supporting them if they could have given me any reasons to support them. As I have stated in my post, their strategy doesn't meet my bar. I can't see how just because they are testing the waters, they should use a shallow strategy.

Friday, April 28, 2006 11:21:00 PM

 
Blogger Gaurav said...

Right on. i was planning to make a similar post, but was a bit weary of flame-wars and did not want some emotional IIT-ians to misunderstand what I was saying.

Something more concrete is required. Currently, it is all platitudes, and they have a very simplistic understanding of problems facing India, since they too seem to think of widespread corruption as a disease rather than a symptom.

Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:00:00 PM

 
Anonymous Ashish said...

May be you wanna send them a mail about vagueness of their menifesto, or talk to them, if you wish. See their side of story.

Monday, May 01, 2006 4:17:00 PM

 
Blogger Naresh said...

Probably they have the fire, but havent succeded in lighting da torch!

If they hv seen a mve and r raring to go, I wud say they better not try! And I agree with you completely when u say IITians are technically damn good, but politically zilch! But who knows these guys may be exceptions!

Actually one point I hate abt them is when they say We are from IIT! So we are good. Vote Us! To hell with IIT! Arent thr good students outside IIT? Is evry IITian good? Infact, IITians know nuthin better than subjects n some choosy other stuff! They shud come out of da IIT cocoon n prove themselves!

Monday, May 01, 2006 6:07:00 PM

 
Blogger Naresh said...

Hey btw, can u fwd tht mail to me at naresh.kodithala@gmail.com

Monday, May 01, 2006 6:07:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i agree with u,

but this psot isnt detailed enuf, seems slipshod

Monday, May 01, 2006 7:47:00 PM

 
Anonymous rc said...

Holy Cow !

A prime example of subcontinental prose. Over analysis.

The search is not on for a political party with a perfect match for your expectations. That will never happen.

You just have to go with the party that most represents your interests.

If, at the moment DMK or ADMK represents your interests - by all means vote for them. That is what politics is all about.

For a lot of us, we need a whiff of fresh air. Even if the air is a little warmer than we like.

Lets take it easy on the IITians shall we. It is not their fault that they excelled in a system that was not their design. I think the odds of finding a charismatic IITian is no less than that of finding a charismatic New College or Pachaiyappas student.


In short, there is no such thing as a perfect match. These guys offer a closer match to a lot of people who feel the DK parties suck eggs.

Monday, May 01, 2006 9:07:00 PM

 
Anonymous sudhanshu said...

"I got a mail yesterday on my B-school Delhi group asking me to vote for the Lok Paritran party."
Let's see. First of all, you haven't even mentioned who wrote the mail. Was it somebody from your B-school Delhi group or somebody related to the party. If it was the latter, then I guess LP needs better workers. And if it was somebody else who gives a f*** what they said. (Your 'final comment' might be the idea of the self-styled-LP-worke and not LP). Anyways that is quite lame.

Then comes the manifesto. I am of the belief that in a domain like politics, it is essential to project the bigger picture, rather than worry about the technicalities, which makes people work towards the numbers rather than the vision, and towards finding and exploiting loopholes.

I do support the idea of LP. But I would not vote for them now, why? because first of all, all that we have here is resumes, which is not what we need. What we need is to hear them talking on the radio and working in the streets. Every politicians life is dissected by the media everyday. We need to know if they can live up to the mudslinging. Secondly, they need to prove themselves. They need to come up with constructive opposition for years before they get a chance to rule. Thirdly, they were too late for this election. It takes more hard work to win the mandate. This is politics and not engineering. Being an IITian doesn't get you any special favours. And finally, they need to make sure that nobody writes shit mails on their behalf citing silly reasons you've flamed them for in the post. It is their responsibility to make sure that they share the vision with all of us and not leave scope for misunderstanding.

If after five years, they are able to keep their heads high, I would love to vote for them. (Ofcourse if they contest where I stay.)

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:57:00 AM

 
Blogger dhoomketu said...

Gaurav, agree with you.

Ashish, good idea.

Naresh, agree with you on the IIT point. Just because somebody is from IIT doesn't mean that he's automatically good.

Anonymous, it was hurriedly written for sure. Same as your comment, by the way.

RC, first someone accuses me of lack of details, then somebody accuses me of too much complication. Anyway, I guess I can't please everyone. By the way, I can't exactly see the point you are making. Should we stop pointing out issues with this party? or that I should not comment on a shabby manifesto and refuse to vote for politically naive parties, just because there's no perfect match? In my opinion, the current parties have a better strategy compared to Lok-Paritran. Don't know exact details of DK parties, though.

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:25:00 AM

 
Blogger Swapna said...

While I agree that their manifesto and plan is too general, I would go a bit easy on these guys. They're just starting out in politics and it will take some time.

Besides, I appreciate the thought of anyone actually doing something (actually getting into politics) and would defintely try to encourage them.

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:08:00 PM

 
Blogger Bombay Addict said...

DK2 - agree. And thanks for dissecting the manifesto - eye-opener.

Yet, I think these guys will gather support more for what they are not than what they are. That, and probably a simplistic line of logic going something like "If I can't join politics, I can at least support this lot of fresh, young, honest guys". IIT branding ? You tell me !

Unfortunately, transforming India is not as simple. And agree with Sudhanshu - these guys have a long way to go, and I'd rather vote for them after they've proven themselves.

But, I'm in a bit of a fix thinking of a day when I'm faced with a choice of voting for a buffoon ilke Govinda or for a rookie who wants to change the world with a wand. Any thots ?

Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:29:00 AM

 
Blogger dhoomketu said...

swapna, i might have been too harsh. but i was exaggerating for clarity at times.

bombay addict, that particular choice is difficult. however, i will still vote for the party and not the individuals in this case...

Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:26:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jus to add my voice to this already busy and loud conversation... I aint an IITian, am a doc i work abroad i happen to be visiting India now and by a coincidence im a registered voter of mylapore constituency in chennai... I did meet santhanagopalan vasudev, an LP candidate and he seems OK though a bit raw and innocent... whatever the wise men from IIT and IIM feel about LP's chances of winning, I feel i would rather vote for Gopal Vasudev rather than karunanidhi or jayalalitha.... and even if vasudev were to lose terribly so whats the big deal, atleast my vote wud or cud make a diff....
roughelement@yahoo.com

Friday, May 05, 2006 12:06:00 AM

 
Blogger dhoomketu said...

anonymous, you are free to exercise your choice. that's the price i'm willing to pay for democracy!! no, seriously, this post wasn't meant to compare a lp to a dmk. Really. All it was meant to do was point out that this party doesn't have a well-made strategy as of now. Hence, I won't vote for them. That's all.

Friday, May 05, 2006 12:28:00 AM

 
Blogger DeXTrOz said...

Amazing to read some of these comments here. There are some very good critical arguments here.

Like many, most of you might have also pissed on the fact that the US managed to re-elect an idiot president, who could only bring the country further down. Inspite of the fact that this guy even comes across as an idiot and liar in every manner. One of the arguments people used to justify Bush's second term in the US, was that "we don't know how Kerry will lead the country. He might f*k it real bad. He can't take a stand on an issue."

It did not occur to most American people (like yourself dhoomketu) that it would be better to give the reigns to a new guy - who would be less likely to mess with the system - seeing the cinders of burning ash on his predeccessors hands. They rather chose to give the reigns back to a proven gun-weilding, religious, fanatic and his croonies.

Likewise, dhoomketu, you choose to give your vote back to a bunch of proven a$holes who are raping the country day-in and out rather than give it to fresh slates - who have proven their determination by giving up good jobs and comfortable lives and the will to work hard. That is the first step to gearing up to change the nation.

If you have helpfull suggestions, advice and aid, then pass it on. From reading many of the comments here it sounds like people are still "waiting" for something to happen by LP. They will learn the way of politics - if we stand by and give them the neccesary breaks. It is easier to sit on your ass and expect someone else to support them till they prove themselves and then say you will vote for them - at that point - hopefully your vote won't matter because many other would have taken your decision for you.

Friday, May 05, 2006 10:13:00 AM

 
Anonymous Ksen said...

Swapna- i totally agree with you. I mean probably these guys are inexpierenced in politics, having been protected by their iit shade...but look at it this way..a bunch of guys have igiven up a luxiroius well paying job and lifestyle in hopes to eradicate corruption in india. A utopian dream perhaps, but hey these guys are trying. We should encourage them. Giving them encouragement mite motiavte the educated youth to actually consider politics as a career....Its a dirtiest game in the country...

These guys arnt the only ones..MY friends Purang mehta and Harsh kothari who are both studying abroad right now...theyve started a group called NDPI...both of thema re planning to take up Politics as careers...

So yet despite the corruption and blasphemy in politics rite now, i still feel we shoulnt loose hoppe in these guys...coz after all theyre the future..

Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:33:00 AM

 
Anonymous HIREN said...

HI
This is HIREN.

The first thing I want to point out here is that some of us want LP to prove itself first b4 u support 4 them . U need them to achieve somethin b4 u go for them.

But according to me their biggest achievement so far is that we r spendin precious time to discuss about some LP. Tell me isn't this good enough in the first attempt? All of us ,I believe, want a change to happen . But do we have the guts to bring about that change ourselves ?

These guys though are a bit rough at this stage, have that courage to say that "OK, if no one wants to do it we will".

We have been crying 4 a mesiah to come and save us from all this s***.And all we can do is just sit down and cry more!
These ppl have put aside this cry option and have decided to be the change itself.

They a practical to say the least.
We have always been saying that we choose these a**holes cause we don't hv any options . LP is that option.

AND NOT ONLY THEM, THERE R PLENTY OF OTHER YOUNG PPL WHO HAVE NOW REALISED THAT RATHER THAN WAITING FOR OTHERS TO ACT, WHY NOT IT BE ME WHO MAKES THE FIRST MOVE AND INSPIRE OTHERS TO FOLLOW.

I talk here bout youth cause they r the only section of the society who can make a difference.

About LP := now getting back to the core of discussion-
Some of us want their manifesto and their comments to be more correct technically like the congress and the other parties , right? Now tell me if their manifesto would hv been similar to those of the other parties, wouldn't some of us hv raised the view that they a saying the same thing as all the others, so whats' the difference in them and the others?

For me , its their rawness and their honesty thats counts. If they would have shown the maturiry of a well established political party, right at the start, i would hv doubted their intensions , but because they r raw and honest I will support them.

And because they r starting right from scrap, they have better chances of succeding , if not now atleast in the future.

BEST OF LUCK TO THEM
REPLIES AWAITED
BYE

Sunday, May 07, 2006 2:06:00 PM

 
Blogger Doctor Bruno said...

I pity those guys....

They are SOOOOOO IGNORANT of ground realities....

Point One
Paritrarararar... what is that.... Give me the meaning

Even BJP calls itself "Bharathiya janata katchi"
Ba.Ja.Ka in tamil nadu.....it is not Bee.Jay.Pee in tamil nadu

They do not even care to give their party a local name.... how do they think that the people here will vote for you....

Point two

What are their aims....
What is their foreign policy... Are you planning to get back POK or support LTTE or fight with US etc
What is your economic policy... Are you going to fiull the govt vacancies...are you going to privatise the transport. electricity depts etc

Point three

What is The party structure ....

If you want to serve people, contest in LOCAL BODY ELECTIONS FIRST

Monday, May 08, 2006 5:35:00 AM

 
Blogger Amit Pandey said...

Whats the hoopla about a bunch of IITians entering the Political Arena, this year. There have been politicians previously from IIT's like

1> Ajit Singh - IIT Delhi(Rashtriya Lok Dal; Son of Charan Singh, the Ex-PM)

2> Sudheendra Kulkarni -IIT Mumbai (BJP)

3> Jairam Ramesh - IIT Mumbai(Cong-I)

These guys haven't done something spectacular.

Monday, May 08, 2006 9:11:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1) Was the email sent to you by the paritrana guys or was it free-lance effort ? A little like people composing chain emails to oppose Sonia/Modi whoever ?

2) You talk about concrete plans of the congress/bjp parties vis-a-vis the amorphous, high level goals of Paritrana. But will it not be premature for these bachhas to start talking about "raising expenditure on education by 2-3%" ??

3) Do they advertize the fact that they are from IITs or is it the media/bloggers who choose to focus on this one little factoid ?

4) Comparisons with RDB are moronic. These guys have actually been doing grassroots level work for a while now. (In RDB, the hot blooded fellows decide to bump off a bunch of people in a blaze of glory, the first time the "realities" of India bite their posteriors)

>> An average IIT student (in my experience) doesn't have any of the first three and over-delivers on intelligence.

How may IIT students do you know ? Lastly, you used the word average - these guys may not be "average" at all !

5) >> It (manifesto) promises more of the same and while it talks about implementation, it doesn't say anything about how they will do anything or by what timeframe.

What time frame do you want to hear ? If they say 6 months will that make you feel all warm and fuzzy ? Remember, these guys are yet to fight their first elections. Most probably (P ~= 1) they are not going to win and they know this. So why tie yourself in knots about time tables when you know you are not in a position to support them ?

Lastly, heres some food for thought for you guys.

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." -- Theodore Roosevelt

Disclaimer: Although I knew one of the Paritrana guys for about 4 years of my life, I am not a member of Lok Paritrana, neither have I been in touch with any party member.

- Sudeep

Monday, May 08, 2006 10:09:00 AM

 
Anonymous uppili said...

now that the elctions are over, the point i am raising may not hold bay significance for next five years. anyway let me tell what i feel about this issue.

Original blog said (about other political parties)

At least, we have a document to hold them responsible for in the next elections. At least, we can differentiate them from another party, let us say, BJP. How the hell do you ever hold a Paritran member accountable? If we vote for them and these castles in the air are not built (eliminate corruption for one), then would they be responsible?


What have been able to achieve with the manifestos and in what way have you held BJP and Congress accountable in the last ten years? at best that was possible was to vote the incumbent out of power so that the new party will continue the inaction right from where the outgoing party left!!

now how can you hold lok paritran accountable?

This is a party that does not have financial muscle or full time party cadres who expect some form of personal upliftment by way of party being voted to power to bank on!! that means they are totally reliant upon the electorate for support. and if they fail in their promises, then the consequences are obvious. in short, if you cant hold a fledgling party like LP accountable, you cant hold any other political party accountable either.

Monday, May 08, 2006 10:19:00 AM

 
Blogger chella said...

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Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:20:00 AM

 
Blogger Abyss|Ashwin said...

I really dnt knw wt these Lok Paritrtan is all abt.But i'm really oppsed to a fact tht a bunch of Hi-tech people who passed out of premier education inst talking about form a party to serve ppl and to bring some development wn thay have ntng to show wt they have done before to ppl before asking fr votes.I also want to suggest that politics is not a bread of cake.I suggest tm before taking abt development tak abt bread & butter of around 60% population.

Friday, May 12, 2006 6:44:00 AM

 
Blogger dhoomketu said...

Dextroz, First time that someone has used an analogy to compare me to a Bush-lover/voter... You obviously missed the whole point of my argument, that, currently, L-P is a fuddled, muddled, bumbling party which has no hope in hell in delivering anything. They need to come up with a better strategy for me to vote for them. Between a party which has a clear strategy and ideology (and to an extent lives upto it) and a bunch of shallow optimists expecting 'necessary breaks', my choice is clear.

Ksen, yes, my attempt though a little vitriolic is an attempt to give them feedback. Am happy to give support in some way, but not if they ask me for votes, without explaining why.

Hiren, yes, publicity is an achievement. They have got it. By the way, don't recall myself crying out for a messiah (unless I wanted Sachin to stay till the end of the match) nor do I agree that all this is shit and youth are the only people who can make a difference.
Btw, I don't want them to make a technically correct manifesto. I want them to make a manifesto which says something. And definitely, copying Congress is not the only option!!

Doctor, Agree with you. Shows their naivete.

Amit, Yes. Although probably this is the angle media wanted and LP agreed to get publicity.

Anon/ Sudeep, 1) Don't know, 2) No, they shouldn't enter politics if they want to remain bachchas, 3) Probably a combination of both, 4) Maybe. 5) About 200-odd. I agree. 6) Accountability, anyone? 7) Rest all is funny.

Uppili, you have answered the question. However, tell me will you hold L-P responsible if corruption doesn't reduce, as they promise? Such is the nature of their promises. The question I raised wasn't about the consequence of them not meeting promises, but the unviable/ immeasurable measure of success that they chose.

Chella, couldn't understand the link.

Abyss/ Ashwin, that in itself is not bad. You need to start somewhere. However, the manner in which they have started this is quite revealing of their lack of experience..

Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:58:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been reading the blog and the comments. Very interesting discussion indeed! I have been to Lok paritran web-site and went through their manifesto. It is obvious that they have no concrete idea about what their priorities are! But one thing they have is passion for doing something good for the people, which our current politicians do not have.

What lok Paritran needs is a good political adviser, a good publicist who can say something about their individual social work before this political venture and shifting the focus from their over achievement to their passion to serve the country.

All the comments that I have seen here seem to be happy for some fresh uncorrupted middleclass people coming into politics. We all should post comment on their web-site and let them know about our views and our support. These will be positive criticisms and can help improve their political standing. If the youth of India want to move on without the age old corrution then lets us all make it happen. Please do not be negative about these people and work with them.

Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:20:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There has been IITians before also to jump into politics-
1. Ajit Singh- IIT Kharagpur
2. Manohar Pannikhar-Ex CM Goa-IIT Powai
3. Jairam Ramesh

Just being from IIT doesn't make good politicians.

Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:54:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dhoomketu:

1. What exactly are you looking for in a manifesto? Do you think we meet eyes on what our expectations are in a manifesto? The basis need for every human being is food, clothes and shelter. You dont get into details saying butter chicken, levis & duplex flat. These details are mere opinions which vary from person to person. You can't see everyone in the eye. But if you manage to agree with the majority, you make the difference.

2) Did'nt the manifesto cover all the important issues? What more do you want? Do you want them telling they will reduce corruption by 30% or give you some numbers to make you silent? Bottom line - they addressed the problems, the quantum of results in tackling then will determine their success.
Do you think ppl are too worried abt statistics? they are worried abt the problem as a whole. Not the mean or standard deviation.

3) Yes, manifesto can be used to hold the party accountable. but dont trouble your fat head in computing percentages and jumping over a 0.5% difference. Look at the whole picture. Did you every try compaing congress manifesto with the actual statistics? I doubt that.

4) What kind of criticism is this? You take some stupid spam groupie email and attack it like it was an official email from the party to vote for them. Try replying this crap to the person who sent you the email and not a personal attack on the party.

5) "Really, for me a politician needs to have savoir faire, a certain amount of charisma, " - Dude.. you are looking for a politician , not a bollywood hero. A politician needs to be honest and someone who understands the peoples needs. Jayalalitha's fat ass has a lot of charisma. Try voting for tht.

6) "average IIT student (in my experience) doesn't have any of the first three and over-delivers on intelligence". Do you know what I see in you? A fat f*** who does nothing but sips beer and sits by his laptop and types meaningless sh**. But hey, I might be mistaken. This is just my opinion. The point is - give them the benefit of doubt. Try and find out more about them than relying on a stupid groupie email. By the way, is over delivering on the intelligence a disqualification in politics??

7) For Doctor Bruno: before trying to say paritrana..try saying dravida muzkiza .......(wahtever it is). Now did the difficulty in their name have anything to do with their results? As long as the name you have represents your ideology , it is good. What do you expect for a name - THE TERMINATORS?? Giving a local name is not the secret for staying in power.... good governance is. Who the hell cares what your name is ...as long as you deliver. On their aims /foreign policy ... before writing them off... realize.... there are MILLIONS of issues in this country. You can't expect them to address each and every one of it in their website. If you have any question, try approaching them directly to ask the same. Dont expect an answer for every burning question in this world. And if you did not notice, they are contesting in the local body elections as well.

Bottom line : They just started off. There are a few points worth merit in your argument. I hope these arguments serve to guide them rather than depress them. But giving statements like the party is not clear in their manifesto is absurd. Remember that you can't address ALL the matters int he country. For you getting free beer might be a big issue, but there are others for whom having a full meal is an issue. You obviously do not see eye to eye with them. but it is an issue all the same. You will have a 10000000 pages manifesto if you want all the issues and plans to address them statistically. Dude - once you have a honest, intelligent person at the helm, he will be wise enough to understand issues that are brought to his notice and will try and address them.

btw.. i do not represent Lok Paritran.

- arnav.krishnan@gmail.com

Friday, September 22, 2006 10:56:00 AM

 
Anonymous b shantanu said...

Gaurav, Ashish, Dr Bruno, others,


It has been a year since this post and things do not look great…

I did what you and some of the others have suggested and this is what happened:
http://hindudharma.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/dark-clouds-just-got-darker/

My optimism is today tempered with a healthy dose of realism….

Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:08:00 AM

 
Anonymous B Shantanu said...

All,
An update on LP, BPD and BM that I think you will find interesting.

Look forward to comments and thoughts:

http://hindudharma.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/bpd-bm-lp-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel/

Friday, April 13, 2007 9:09:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can someone tell me why tanmay is wearing a RED HITLER LIKE ARMBAND - compare
http://www.pzg.biz/176p.jpg
and
paritran website

Monday, October 29, 2007 6:09:00 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like you to go through this who are interested in politics.

http://loksattaparty.blogspot.com/2006/10/birth-of-lok-satta-party.html

Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:53:00 AM

 

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